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	<title>Comments on: Between a Rock and a Hard Place: Triple Threats and Double Troubles for Muslim Women</title>
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		<title>By: Fatemeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatemeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for not responding to this earlier, Samaha! But you hit it on the nail: we have to talk, Islamophobes be damned! Haters are gonna hate no matter what, but we can&#039;t let them stop us from getting our rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for not responding to this earlier, Samaha! But you hit it on the nail: we have to talk, Islamophobes be damned! Haters are gonna hate no matter what, but we can&#8217;t let them stop us from getting our rights.</p>
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		<title>By: What do women really want? &#171; Michelle Moquin&#8217;s &#8220;A day in the life of&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>What do women really want? &#171; Michelle Moquin&#8217;s &#8220;A day in the life of&#8230;&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Did you read Fatemah&#8217;s article? A very articulate and enlightening read. Don&#8217;t be shy - give us your two. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Did you read Fatemah&#8217;s article? A very articulate and enlightening read. Don&#8217;t be shy &#8211; give us your two. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: samaha</title>
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		<dc:creator>samaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But if we think that our dialogue will be twisted, ignored, or condemned…why should we talk about it?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Because if we don&#039;t nothing will change.  If we don&#039;t speak for ourselves, someone else will speak for us.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We can&#039;t live in the fear of being criticized, condemned, our words being twisted, or ignored because if we do that then we are submissive to our fears of humans and not to Allah.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t think that the answer to talking about this case is by comparing it to ills in western societies.  That&#039;s not to say that we shouldn&#039;t talk about those issues as well but the issues need to be addressed separately.  The minute we start comparing the two societies we are minimizing the seriousness of both subjects and making it us vs. them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As an American, I have issues in the way we as Americans dismiss the seriousness and commonality of physical abuse of women.  As a Muslim I have issues with the way women are treated in some Islamic countries and even within western Muslim communities.  I can&#039;t defend either of those injustices but if I were to combine the two subjects, inadvertently I would be supporting them both by clouding each issue.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t know if any of that makes sense to anyone ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But if we think that our dialogue will be twisted, ignored, or condemned…why should we talk about it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because if we don&#8217;t nothing will change.  If we don&#8217;t speak for ourselves, someone else will speak for us.  </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t live in the fear of being criticized, condemned, our words being twisted, or ignored because if we do that then we are submissive to our fears of humans and not to Allah.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that the answer to talking about this case is by comparing it to ills in western societies.  That&#8217;s not to say that we shouldn&#8217;t talk about those issues as well but the issues need to be addressed separately.  The minute we start comparing the two societies we are minimizing the seriousness of both subjects and making it us vs. them.</p>
<p>As an American, I have issues in the way we as Americans dismiss the seriousness and commonality of physical abuse of women.  As a Muslim I have issues with the way women are treated in some Islamic countries and even within western Muslim communities.  I can&#8217;t defend either of those injustices but if I were to combine the two subjects, inadvertently I would be supporting them both by clouding each issue.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if any of that makes sense to anyone ..</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is important for Muslim women to stop making excuses for ridiculous unjust laws and demand a dialogue. Everytime we reconsider giving an honest opinion on sexism or racism or any kind of discrimination, we promote it. Time to stand up and be counted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is important for Muslim women to stop making excuses for ridiculous unjust laws and demand a dialogue. Everytime we reconsider giving an honest opinion on sexism or racism or any kind of discrimination, we promote it. Time to stand up and be counted.</p>
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		<title>By: beena</title>
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		<dc:creator>beena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a good way to speak back about this case is talking about the treatment that many working-class women and/or women of color experience. scores of women who were drinking underage, or using illegal drugs at the time of their assault have been sent up on drug charges. our legal system is pretty easy for &quot;smart&quot; abusers to manipulate into yet another way to abuse their partners. these issues don&#039;t make the news- i guess exotic women getting lashed is just more entertaining? i don&#039;t know that many women who actually get justice for gender-based crimes here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a good way to speak back about this case is talking about the treatment that many working-class women and/or women of color experience. scores of women who were drinking underage, or using illegal drugs at the time of their assault have been sent up on drug charges. our legal system is pretty easy for &#8220;smart&#8221; abusers to manipulate into yet another way to abuse their partners. these issues don&#8217;t make the news- i guess exotic women getting lashed is just more entertaining? i don&#8217;t know that many women who actually get justice for gender-based crimes here.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article about an important issue!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It strikes me that there are two main problems: First, that the majority of the non-Muslim world is unfamiliar with Muslims and Islam and they easily latch onto the Orientalist ideas available constantly in books, television, news, etc. These enforce the idea that Muslims and Muslim countries are backwards, ignorant, and barbaric, all because of Islam. It&#039;s rare to hear a news piece that doesn&#039;t (directly or indirectly) show Islam as the problem. Terrorism on the rise in Indonesia? It&#039;s because of increased role of Islam. Restrictions on dress in Malaysia? It&#039;s the Islamic party. So the public equates Islam with general oppression - oppression of women, suppression of civil liberties, lack of freedom of speech, etc. - and other problems that need Western, secular solutions. When women speak out against sexism in Muslim communities or countries, the non-Muslim reaction is that this is yet another example of that screwed-up religion, Islam.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Second, there&#039;s the tendency of the Muslim communities in countries like the United States to brush aside the idea of oppression in Islam. It&#039;s easy to say, &quot;No, women are elevated in Islam&quot; and &quot;The prophet Muhammad was actually a feminist&quot; and ignore the fact these  statements are NOT the prevailing view when women&#039;s rights are curtailed under &quot;Islamic law.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think we, and I mean everyone, have to go beyond this binary. I wish non-Muslims were more educated about Islam and aware of the incredible diversity within the religion and its history. It&#039;s not just that standard image today: the women hidden in black chadors, who lack political, economic, and social rights. Going past Orientalism (Geraldine Brooks&#039;s book is one example of how not to learn about Muslim women) is key. I totally agree with what you said about people thinking themselves experts on Islam once they&#039;ve seen one article or TV special. Awareness is both important for non-Muslims and for Muslims. For those of us living in countries where lashing of rape victims doesn&#039;t occur, it&#039;s essential to recognize that such things do happen. Not every woman chooses to wear the hijab. (There was a post a few weeks earlier condemning the article by a woman forced by her father to wear the hijab. The anger towards the woman, for writing a story that wasn&#039;t &quot;I choose the hijab and I love it&quot; was disturbing.) If all Western Muslims do is say, &quot;No, you&#039;ve got it wrong... Islam is good for women!&quot; while pretending not to hear stories of abuse of Muslim women, those words mean nothing. Progress isn&#039;t going to be made. When restrictions of rights and cruel punishments are justified as adhering to Islam, this said by the Muslim leaders (even religious clerics) of the country, a great number of Muslims and non-Muslims agree: This is part of Islam. That makes it even more important to not ignore these occurrences. Whether or not it&#039;s right, it HAS become a part of Islam.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The bottom line is that it&#039;s neither as simple as &quot;Islam bad, West good&quot; nor &quot;Islam good, West bad.&quot; And for that, education and dialogue are essential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article about an important issue!</p>
<p>It strikes me that there are two main problems: First, that the majority of the non-Muslim world is unfamiliar with Muslims and Islam and they easily latch onto the Orientalist ideas available constantly in books, television, news, etc. These enforce the idea that Muslims and Muslim countries are backwards, ignorant, and barbaric, all because of Islam. It&#8217;s rare to hear a news piece that doesn&#8217;t (directly or indirectly) show Islam as the problem. Terrorism on the rise in Indonesia? It&#8217;s because of increased role of Islam. Restrictions on dress in Malaysia? It&#8217;s the Islamic party. So the public equates Islam with general oppression &#8211; oppression of women, suppression of civil liberties, lack of freedom of speech, etc. &#8211; and other problems that need Western, secular solutions. When women speak out against sexism in Muslim communities or countries, the non-Muslim reaction is that this is yet another example of that screwed-up religion, Islam.</p>
<p>Second, there&#8217;s the tendency of the Muslim communities in countries like the United States to brush aside the idea of oppression in Islam. It&#8217;s easy to say, &#8220;No, women are elevated in Islam&#8221; and &#8220;The prophet Muhammad was actually a feminist&#8221; and ignore the fact these  statements are NOT the prevailing view when women&#8217;s rights are curtailed under &#8220;Islamic law.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think we, and I mean everyone, have to go beyond this binary. I wish non-Muslims were more educated about Islam and aware of the incredible diversity within the religion and its history. It&#8217;s not just that standard image today: the women hidden in black chadors, who lack political, economic, and social rights. Going past Orientalism (Geraldine Brooks&#8217;s book is one example of how not to learn about Muslim women) is key. I totally agree with what you said about people thinking themselves experts on Islam once they&#8217;ve seen one article or TV special. Awareness is both important for non-Muslims and for Muslims. For those of us living in countries where lashing of rape victims doesn&#8217;t occur, it&#8217;s essential to recognize that such things do happen. Not every woman chooses to wear the hijab. (There was a post a few weeks earlier condemning the article by a woman forced by her father to wear the hijab. The anger towards the woman, for writing a story that wasn&#8217;t &#8220;I choose the hijab and I love it&#8221; was disturbing.) If all Western Muslims do is say, &#8220;No, you&#8217;ve got it wrong&#8230; Islam is good for women!&#8221; while pretending not to hear stories of abuse of Muslim women, those words mean nothing. Progress isn&#8217;t going to be made. When restrictions of rights and cruel punishments are justified as adhering to Islam, this said by the Muslim leaders (even religious clerics) of the country, a great number of Muslims and non-Muslims agree: This is part of Islam. That makes it even more important to not ignore these occurrences. Whether or not it&#8217;s right, it HAS become a part of Islam.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that it&#8217;s neither as simple as &#8220;Islam bad, West good&#8221; nor &#8220;Islam good, West bad.&#8221; And for that, education and dialogue are essential.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I haven&#039;t gotten around to Rendition yet, but it did look kind of interesting. Generally though, I don&#039;t really like fictionalized accounts of current issues. I&#039;d much rather watch a documentary if I feel like taking on the subject, but that&#039;s just a personal preference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I haven&#8217;t gotten around to Rendition yet, but it did look kind of interesting. Generally though, I don&#8217;t really like fictionalized accounts of current issues. I&#8217;d much rather watch a documentary if I feel like taking on the subject, but that&#8217;s just a personal preference.</p>
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